just need a simple honest answer about pal 60. please don't beat around the bush

[paulorpauly]

so i just ordered a dc60 no + and just wanted to know a few answer's.

is there anyway at all i can possible run pal 60 through the regular dc60?

or is there possibly a download online that would give you the software to use a dc60 with pal 60?

thanks in advance, also if possible could you email me the answer on pwjs14@hotmail.com as i may forget to check the forums oftn

[Miraglyth]

The non+ DC60 can only record 60hz in black and white if you select the "NTSC" recording option. The inability to record PAL60 is due to the device itself - no driver could fix that.

[paulorpauly]

thanks for your quick reply, i actualy contacted the seller(on amazon not ebay) and he told me that the although it said the product name is dc60 that climaxdigital no longer produces the dc60 so it is infact the dc60+.

is this true? because it would make things alot simpler if they did just stop producing the dc60 so you know you are getting the dc60+ lol

[Miraglyth]

climaxdigital, eh? That's who I ordered my DC60+ from, and I got sent a DC60. After an e-mail chain of trying to convince them that yes there is a hardware difference and no it's not just the CD provided, I was able to send mine back and get (what I think is) a DC60+ sent back to me.

I made a topic about it. Suffice to say my buyers' experience with them wasn't a pleasant one. And that buying from climaxdigital isn't guaranteed to get you the right model when the two look the same on the outside.

First of all, my DC60 was in yellow plastic packaging, and my DC60+ was in a pink box. Since they're from the same seller (I'm guessing vanguard tech did the shipping for you too, from the sound of it) that might help you identify them.

Second, after installing the drivers (I had to get windows to do it on both devices - using the installation from the CD menu didn't seem to achieve anything!), try getting these drivers and installing them while the device is plugged in (fenberry has suggested they also update the device itself during installation). Then you might be able to get color in 60hz by selecting PAL_60 or NTSC_433 picture modes (they're essentially the same, but only the latter works for me for some reason).

Hope that helps.

[Kupuntu]

The non+ DC60 can only record 60hz in black and white if you select the "NTSC" recording option. The inability to record PAL60 is due to the device itself - no driver could fix that.

Actually, the chipset seems to be able to show Pal 60. I've seen the chipset info somewhere, and it said that 60hz mode is available.
EDIT: Here: http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/SAA7113H_2.pdf see pages 2 and 44 (it says NTSC 4.33)

[Yipykayay]

I must say, I bought mine from Climax Digital and had no problems at all.

I dealt with them directly through their own site where they specifically state that the DC60 is the old version.
I had originally bought the DC60 elsewhere (before I knew about the PAL60 issue) and the model number was on the packaging.

[Miraglyth]

The non+ DC60 can only record 60hz in black and white if you select the "NTSC" recording option. The inability to record PAL60 is due to the device itself - no driver could fix that.

Actually, the chipset seems to be able to show Pal 60. I've seen the chipset info somewhere, and it said that 60hz mode is available.
EDIT: Here: http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/SAA7113H_2.pdf see pages 2 and 44 (it says NTSC 4.33)

Is that even for the DC60-? Even if so, what it says and what it does are completely different stories. I'd like to see a report from anyone using a "DC60-" to contradict the dozens of reports we've had - including my own experiences - that it just doesn't allow you to do it. Even if it's possible on the chipset of the device, there don't seem to be any drivers that support it and if it was possible what'd be the point of the DC60+?

I dealt with them directly through their own site where they specifically state that the DC60 is the old version.

I suspect the problem is with the Amazon shop supplier VanguardTech. It was a representative of them that seemed to not have a clue about the differences between the models (despite the item's ClimaxDigital-written description explaining them plain as day), so it's possible that if you order from their website it gets sent by alternate, more competent, means.

[climaxdigital]

Thank you all who've purchased GENUINE DC60+ from ClimaxDigital. As we described on Amazon website, please be aware of those who are selling faked or old DC60 version.

ClimaxDigital has NEVER authorised any sellers(representative) in the UK to sell our products. We sell our products on our one own website and other online shops.

***Just confirm that the seller "VanguardTech" is NOT our retailers or representative. ***

If you buy from ClimaxDigital directly, you will always get genuine DC60+ and it will record PAL60 in colour.

Be aware of those faked or old products.

The following is our statement on Amazon, which clearly states that CLIMAXDIGITAL does not authorize others to sell our products.

"***IMPORTANT***: ClimaxDigital does NOT authorize anyone else to sell this model with the ArcSoft Showbiz 2 software. If you buy from ClimaxDigital. you are guaranteed that 1) genuine DC60+ comes with latest driver CD ver 3.2A 2)DC60+ comes with **ArcSoft ShowBiz DVD 2** CD. 3)supports XP, Vista 32 and Vista 64. BE AWARE!!! --Any other configuration is either faked or old version (dc60 with 3.1b or 2.1c). Please always check with the seller and and make sure you will get the genuine one. ClimaxDigital is NOT responsible for the old DC60 or faked one sold by other sellers. BEWARE!!! Some sellers here sell OLD DC60 and they claim it is DC60+. ClimaxDigital UK offers latest version EasyCAP DC60+ (old version is DC60) with latest software CD ver3.2A (old version is 3.1b or 2.1c)."""


Thanks

I dealt with them directly through their own site where they specifically state that the DC60 is the old version.

I suspect the problem is with the Amazon shop supplier VanguardTech. It was a representative of them that seemed to not have a clue about the differences between the models (despite the item's ClimaxDigital-written description explaining them plain as day), so it's possible that if you order from their website it gets sent by alternate, more competent, means.
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[climaxdigital]

hello Miraglyth,

Could you please confirm that when and where you purchased DC60+ from us (ClimaxDigital) and you received DC60 instead? What is your order no? Do you mind pasting the emails we sent you as you claimed?

Just confirm that ClimaxDigital has NEVER sold any DC60 products in the UK. If you DID order and receive DC60 from us, please give your order no, date, where you ordered. We will investigate and publish the details on the forum.

This is our statement on Amazon on our DC60+.  If you buy directly from ClimaxDigital, you are guaranteed to get GENUINE DC60+, which enables you to record PAL 60 in color. ClimaxDigital offers 7 day money back guarantee and 12 month warranty as well.

***IMPORTANT***: ClimaxDigital does NOT authorize anyone else to sell this model with the ArcSoft Showbiz 2 software. If you buy from ClimaxDigital. you are guaranteed that 1) genuine DC60+ comes with latest driver CD ver 3.2A 2)DC60+ comes with **ArcSoft ShowBiz DVD 2** CD. 3)supports XP, Vista 32 and Vista 64. BE AWARE!!! --Any other configuration is either faked or old version (dc60 with 3.1b or 2.1c). Please always check with the seller and and make sure you will get the genuine one. ClimaxDigital is NOT responsible for the old DC60 or faked one sold by other sellers. BEWARE!!! Some sellers here sell OLD DC60 and they claim it is DC60+. ClimaxDigital UK offers latest version EasyCAP DC60+ (old version is DC60) with latest software CD ver3.2A (old version is 3.1b or 2.1c)."


Again, be aware of those FAKED  or old DC60, which will NOT support PAL 60 color recording.


Regards
ClimaxDigital

climaxdigital, eh? That's who I ordered my DC60+ from, and I got sent a DC60. After an e-mail chain of trying to convince them that yes there is a hardware difference and no it's not just the CD provided, I was able to send mine back and get (what I think is) a DC60+ sent back to me.

I made a topic about it. Suffice to say my buyers' experience with them wasn't a pleasant one. And that buying from climaxdigital isn't guaranteed to get you the right model when the two look the same on the outside.

First of all, my DC60 was in yellow plastic packaging, and my DC60+ was in a pink box. Since they're from the same seller (I'm guessing vanguard tech did the shipping for you too, from the sound of it) that might help you identify them.

Second, after installing the drivers (I had to get windows to do it on both devices - using the installation from the CD menu didn't seem to achieve anything!), try getting these drivers and installing them while the device is plugged in (fenberry has suggested they also update the device itself during installation). Then you might be able to get color in 60hz by selecting PAL_60 or NTSC_433 picture modes (they're essentially the same, but only the latter works for me for some reason).

Hope that helps.

[climaxdigital]

Dear Miraglyth,

Thank you (easycap seller??) again for your comments.

We (ClimaxDigital) are proud of what we have achieved so far and we are always trying to improve our service and offer better cost-effective products.

Currently, we have achieved over 97% positive feedback about our product and service. If customers have any questions about our product and service, please do not hesitate to contact us.
 
1)On Ebay: 99.8% positive feedback
http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=climaxdigital&&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&iid=160320010564&sspagename=VIP:feedback:2:uk
 
2)On Amazon UK: 97%
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/seller/at-a-glance.html?ie=UTF8&seller=A1JDMJR2QMTT2Q

Thanks
ClimaxDigital

climaxdigital, eh? That's who I ordered my DC60+ from, and I got sent a DC60. After an e-mail chain of trying to convince them that yes there is a hardware difference and no it's not just the CD provided, I was able to send mine back and get (what I think is) a DC60+ sent back to me.

I made a topic about it. Suffice to say my buyers' experience with them wasn't a pleasant one. And that buying from climaxdigital isn't guaranteed to get you the right model when the two look the same on the outside.

[EasycapExpertti]

Here is some information to Your all about genuine Easycaps and Ezcaps that are made by the original EasyCap/EzCAP factory, ForwardVideo (Shenzhen, China):

1. Basic EasyCaps (DC60 v2.1a, v2.1b and v2.1c) have Philips chipset and it is true that in the Philips specs are told that there is also support for PAL60/NTSC-433, but it is fact that
with these Syntek drivers STK1150 and STK1160 there is not that feature. There is not any other drivers made to these models.

2. EasyCap DC60+ v3.1A and v3.1B have Empia 2861 chipset and it supports these PAL60 and NTSC-433. Genuine EasyCap DC60+ have Ulead Video Studio v10.0 capture software.

3. EzCAP108 v3.2A and EzCAP116 v3.2A have Empia 2861 chipset and it supports these PAL60 and NTSC-433. Genuine EzCAP108 v3.2A and EzCAP116 v3.2A have ArcSoft Showbiz DVD 2 capture software.

These are the most general genuine EasyCaps and EzCAPs and now at this moment ForwardVideo Ltd doesn't produce any more with brand EasyCap, because of copymakers and they make now devices only with brand EzCAP. So almost all capture devices with brand EasyCap are fakes on the market at this moment. Besides that I think so that ForwardVideo think about to stop also to produce that EzCAP108, because it is very easy to copy to those copymakers who have made before fake EasyCap DC60+, because it is exactly the same main unit - it is easy to change only that name. Last time when I tried to buy that EzCAP108 from there they recommend me to buy only that newest model EzCAP116.

More information, drivers and sample vids from my Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/EasycapExpertti
http://easycapexpertti.mybisi.com/
http://www.szforwardvideo.com/product/Pro_35_6.html

[Miraglyth]

I know this is a very old reply and a bit of an epic bump but I've been spending the morning closing out old stuff on the internet and this is one of them. Most stuff I ignore as too old to care about but this one deserves a response:

hello Miraglyth,

Could you please confirm that when and where you purchased DC60+ from us (ClimaxDigital) and you received DC60 instead? What is your order no? Do you mind pasting the emails we sent you as you claimed?

Just confirm that ClimaxDigital has NEVER sold any DC60 products in the UK.

The quoted message continues on, but basically makes out that I'm a fool who bought from an obviously unauthorised third party.

Not so. Here's the item bought (as given by trusted referrals on this forum), and here's the Amazon UK vendor ClimaxDigital that had been operating for years before my purchase and continue operating today.

If they are not the ClimaxDigital represented by the makers of these products, I would have imagined they'd have tried to make that clear by now!